The following report details the descendants to five generations of William Fannin (1731-1802) & Sarah Ryan (1742-1817) of Lissaroon Co Tipperary Ireland. Both are buried in Ballycahill Cemetery Co Tipperary. William and Sarah Fannin are the earliest Fanning ancestors I have been able to trace so far.
List of property for Lissaroon Townland Co Tipperary Ireland in Griffith’s Valuation 1850; includes William Fannin 1770-1860.
Griffith’s Valuation was the first comprehensive valuation of Irish property and was carried out between 1847 and 1864. The aim being to construct a country-wide tax base.
It is especially important for constructing the Irish end of a family tree as there are so few Irish records to look at. The Census documents from 1821 to 1851 were destroyed in 1922 during the Irish Civil War. Griffith’s Valuation has been termed a “census substitute”.
The above record for Lissaroon was published March 16 1850. The William Fannin included was married to Hanera Cormick (1782-1848). He was born c1770 and died in 1860.
Lissaroon just north of Thurles in Co Tipperary Ireland was the home of William Fannin (1731-1802) & Sarah Ryan (1742-1817). Successive generations of their decendants have lived on this property.
This is the earliest related Fanning residence that I have discovered being the property of William Fannin and Sarah Fannin nee Ryan who are buried in Ballycahill Cemetery Co Tipperary. William Fannin was born about 1731 and died 28 Jan 1801. Sarah Fannin was born c 1741and died 27 Nov 1817.
After William Fannin died in 1802 his eldest son William Fanning took over the property. He was married to Hanera Cormick. From William the property passed to his son Michael who was married to Catherine Ryan and from then to Thomas Fanning married to Johanna Bannon. The Bannons and Cormicks were Lissaroon neighbours. They did not have any children and so it was left to John Joseph Mullany his nephew and son of John Mullany and Bridget Fanning. The property is owned now by Bridget Fanning’s granddaughter.
Thomas and Johanna were the last Fannings to live at Lissaroon.
In the Nenagh Guardian 4 Feb 1984 there is an explanation of the road which cuts through Lissaroon. This was done in the 1840s. Delia Cullen told us this road was a real boon to the Fannings giving them direct access to Thurles.
When Michael originally had the property it was about 50 acres with an additional 45 acres of bog land next door. The lessor was Edward Maher. Then Maher took over the bog land. The total property was valued at 33 pounds in 1856 and 50 pounds in 1943.
In Griffith’s Valuation Lissaroon William Fannin is listed as occupier of a house, offices and land (44 acres 2 rods and 29 perches) the immediate lessor being Edward Maher. The no and letters of reference to the map are 11 ABa. William Fannin also occupies No 12 with John Cormack and others. This is a bog of 43 acres 3 rods 11 perches. Edward Maher is lessor.
Looking again at the 1901 Census for Lissaroon we can see that the number of families is less. In 1901 there are twelve families and in 1911 there are ten. The main families are the Purcells, Brolans, Fannings, McCormacks or Cormacks and Bannons and Ryans.
The House and Building Returns for 1901 describe Lissaroon as having six rooms, four windows, being made of either stone or brick or concrete and having a roof of thatch or wood. Descendants have confirmed that it had a thatched roof which became too expensive to upkeep and was replaced by a tin roof. There were two cow houses, one calf house, one dairy, one fowl house, one boiling house, one barn, one stable and one piggery. Six family members occupied six rooms in what was classed as a second class house.
In the 1911 census seven rooms are occupied by the Fannings.
The 1901 Return of Out-Offices and Farm-Steadings has the Fanning property at Lissaroon having two cow houses, one calf house, a piggery, fowl house, boiling room, barn and shed. A total of nine out-buildings. In the 1911 census there are eight out buildings: a stable, a dairy, cow house, fowl house, barn, turf house and shed.
In 1904 when the property was owned by Thomas Fanning a request was made for a labourer’s cottage to be erected on his lands at Lissaroon. This was part of the Thurles Labourers’ Cottage Scheme.
The Valuation Office have searched and between 1856-1863 12 ABC is occupied by Michael Fannon House Office and Land 45 acres 0 rods 8 perches, lessor is Edward Maher. The bog Ref no 13 was occupied by Michael Fannin and others but during this time it is taken over by Edward Maher in fee. Some lands were added to 12ABC about 7 acres. No exact dates are given.
1863-1866 12ABC occupied by Michael Fannon immediate lessor is Edward Maher about 51 acres. 1866-1876 12ABC still occupied by Michael Fannon House Offices and land of 52 acres 2 rods 7 perches. Immediate lessor is still Edward Maher.
According to Delia Cullen the gr granddaughter of Michael Fanning he was paying 37 pounds a year in rent for the Lissaroon property.
1876-1883 12ABC change from Michael Fannin to Catherine Fannin probably in 1879 same amount of land. 1883-1893 12ABC occupied by Cath Fannin, same amount of land. 1893-1909 12ABC change hands from Catherine Fanning to Thomas Fanning in 1898. 1909-1929 8A 7A 12AaBC occupied by Thomas Fanning House Office Land. 1929-1967 7A 8A 9A 12AaBb 13B John J Mullany takes over the land from Thomas Fanning in 1939 he buys out the ground rent and now holds the land In Fee. Total land is 42 actres 16 rods.
John Joseph Mullany is Thomas Fanning’s nephew. 9A was added in 1943. His mother is Bridget Mullany nee Fanning. The Ratings Records from 1999 show Timothy Cullen as the occupier of 7A 8A 9A 12A Lissaroon In Fee. Area is 71 acres. As rates were abolished this is the last record they have. It has the rates being effective from 31/12/1988 which could be when the property changed hands.
Based on information in a 1978 letter by Archbishop O’Donnell to his nephew I think William Fannin and Sarah Ryan of Lissaroon are the grandparents of William Patrick Fanning, “Big Bill”, who emigrated to Australia in 1841 with his wife Catherine Hayes. It was described as a “prosperous Farm” in Archbishop O’Donnell’s letter to his nephew. The stone house on the left may be the original dwelling.
I recently heard from a woman who was born near Lissaroon and used to play in this house. This is part of what Mary wrote:
“There were a family living there over 50 years ago, called Meehans, but they only had the house rented or maybe they were related, I just don’t know. But no one lived there once the Meehan’s moved out. But I passed there last week and the house is still standing…….I was often in that house when a child as we used to play with the Meehan children, all I can remember of it was there was a stained panel of glass in the front door and that they had, if I remember right a walled back yard with a pear tree, and loads of trees in the front of the house, they are all gone now. I’m trying to remember how many rooms were in the house, I know there was two rooms of the kitchen, the kitchen, a parlour, and maybe there was another room of that, not sure.”
“I’m trying to remember, it is a long time ago, but I think there was a wall that went all around the house in front, coming up from the right hand side up the field in front of the house. I think it went all around the front over to the left hand side. There was a small gate and a path to the front door, and trees at both sides of the path and daffodils in the spring, and thats all I can remember. If I can meet Billy Cormick who lives just over the road he would maybe be able to help, I believe he is into history, and maybe may be able to tell me something. I want to ask him about my Lowry’s who move to Lissaroon for a while when they were evicted in 1849 and a relation of Billy’s was a sponsor for one of the Lowry kids. The stone building at the left hand side of the picture may have been the original house.”
More photos of Lisaroon taken in June 2010. The farm hasn’t been lived in for years.
Tithes (meaning a tenth) were levies collected in support of a church, which could be a single church or all churches of one faith. In Ireland from the 1500s to the 1800s, tithes were taxes on the agricultural system to support the Church of Ireland. Tithes made everyone cross, for many reasons. Those who were Catholic or Presbyterian resented the contribution to the established church. Land proprietors resented the impact of tithes on rents.
Tithes existed in Ireland as long ago as the 1100s, giving support to monasteries. The system that came to be resented so much was formalized in law in 1541. In 1736 legislation exempted pasture from the calculation so the burden fell upon farmers who cultivated the soil. Not all tithes went to the Church of Ireland; in 1832 a little over 15% went to “lay” (non-religious) tithe owners who acquired the right to collect tithes at the dissolution of the monasteries.
By the early 1800s resentment had become very serious. Tithes had been part of the cause of rural unrest in the late 1700s; in the 1830s, the disruptions came to be called the Tithe War. The campaign against tithes began in County Kilkenny and spread quickly to other counties. By 1833, more than half the tithes due in 22 counties had not been paid. Many landowners supported non-payment because legislation of 1823 restored pastureland to the calculation. The resistance became violent, and some deaths occurred among protestors and police.
Faced with an impossible situation, the authorities stopped trying to enforce payment and clergymen without income could apply for relief. In 1838 the tithe ceased to be paid by occupiers and landlords were levied a “rent charge.” The problem completely disappeared at the disestablishment of the Church of Ireland (1869).
The Tithe Composition Act, passed in 1823, set out the process by which the tithe was converted to a monetary payment due twice a year. Property value was assessed, meetings were held in parishes, and records made of all those who were to make the payments. These are the Tithe Applotment Books.
At the time of the Tithe War any clergyman applying for relief was required to report on the situation in his parish including the names of all those who had failed to pay–the tithe defaulters. Lists of roughly 30,000 defaulters survive. ” From Ancestry.com article by Sherry Irvine
Fanning, Fannin & Darmody Entries in the Co Tipperary Tithe Applotment Books : A-R-P = Acres, Rods & Perches (Irish) H, O, L, G = House, Office, Land, Garden.
Ballymurreen Civil Parish 1827, Thurles Poor Law Union: Joseph Fanning, Parkstown .
BruisCivil Parish 1832: Robert Fanning of Mount Bruis Townland.
Cordangan Civil Parish 1835: John Fannin of Lacken.
1834-1837 Daniel Darmody Kilfithmone, William Darmody Kilfithmone.
Civil Parish ofKilmurry 1834: Patrick Fanning Ballinamona Townland.
Parish ofKnockgraffon 1826 : Patrick (Mary) Fanning of Loughkent, William Fanning of Donegal.
Parish ofLoughmore West April 1827: Michael Darmody Ballybrista, Denis Darmody Killahara, Philip Darmody Killahara, Edward Fanning Carraig-Loughmore, John Fanning Clondoty.
Loughmore East of River Suir: Edw. Darmody Graiguefrehane, Nicholas Fanning Graiguefrehane, Michael Fanning Killenleigh.
Parish of Loughmore East otherwise Callabegs Earl of Carrick April 1825: John Fanen Gurthreagh, Patrick Fanen Skeogh, Patrick. Fanen Skeogh.
Civil Parish of Mora 1824: John Fanning of Ballanattin Upper.
Parish of Moyaliff 1837 : John Fanning, Rossmult.
MoycarkyCivil Parish 1829: Joseph Fannin, Drumgower, Lawrence Fannin, Graigue, William Fannin, Graigue, William Fannin Kilnoe.
Civil Parish of Moyne 1828: James Fanning of Moyne Temple, James Fanning of Lisdonolly.
Civil Parish ofNenagh 1828: Ned Fanning of Spout Road.
Tithe Applotments RoscreaCivil Parish, no date given:Ml Darmody Killavilla, Ml Darmody Killavilla, Ml Darmody Benaghmore District, Pierce Darmody, Pierce Darmody Benaghmore District , Pierce Darmody Carrick , Pierce Darmody Killavilla, Edwd Fanning Big Matt House District, Patt Fanning Ballychary, Patt Fanning Streamstown.
Parish ofTempleree c 1823: John Fanin Gurtadanagan
Civil Parish of Templtouhy 1815-1821: Richard Fanning of Lisdaleen
Tithe Applotment Entries 1833, Thurles Civil Parish: Casontown ? Edward Fanning, Brittas Road or North West Suburb, James Fanning Casontown, John Fanning Knockroe, John Fanning Tooreen, Michael Fanning Castle Hounie?, Michael Fanning Commons, Patk Fanning Bawntameena, Pat Fanning?, Bawntameena, Pat Fanning?
Parish ofUpperchurch c 1829/30: Jeremiah Darmody Moher.
Civil Parish of Inch: Edmond Fannin, farmer, Townland of Buckley Islands, 1831
Widow Burke alias Fannin, farmer, Inch, 1831
Edmond Callanan & John Cullinan, Upper Dovea.
Townland of Lissaroon: John Cormac, Patrick Banan, William Purcell, William Carroll, Patrick Ryan, William Fannin, farmer, Thomas Cormac, Edmond Purcell, John Purcell, William Purcell, Walter Purcel.
Civil Parish ofKilfithmone: Daniel Darmody 1831 Fishmoyne, William Darmody Ballinlonty 1831.
Civil Parish ofKilmurry1831, Patrick Fanning, farmer, Ballynamona .
Civil Parish ofThurles 1831: Michael Fanning, farmer, Thurles; Patrick Fanning, farmer, Thurles; Patrick Fanning, farmer, Seskin; John Fanning, farmer, Seskin; Michael Fanning, farmer, Leighmore (Loughmore?); Oliver Fanning, farmer, Race Course; Michael Fanning, farmer, Toureen.
Civil Parish ofMoycarkey 1831: William Fannin farmer, Kilno; Joseph Fannin, farmer, Drumgour; William Fannin, farmer, Grague.