These are the Bulla residents listed in the 1869 Post Office Directory for Victoria:
William Patrick Fanning and his son John Henry Fanning are listed as farmers and also Martin Dillon.
These are the Bulla residents listed in the 1869 Post Office Directory for Victoria:
William Patrick Fanning and his son John Henry Fanning are listed as farmers and also Martin Dillon.
William (Billy) Fanning and his wife Catherine Fanning outside their house at Clondoty Co Tipperary
I heard from a fourth cousin in Tipperary who told me about the landgrabbing case involving William “Billy” Fanning from Clondoty Co Tipperary.
Her grandmother was Bridget Fanning of Lissaroon. She told me that William Fanning, first cousin of my Bulla ancestor, William Patrick Fanning, was a considered a “land grabber”.
In 1885 he took over a farm in Clondoty that he was not entitled to.
As a result there was a huge boycott on all the Fanning families. Delia says that the fact that many Fannings married their cousins was because of this boycott. She also says that William Fanning, I think who would be the grandson, shot himself, age 30, as a consequence of the restrictions of the boycott. I have not been able to find any evidence of this suicide in the death records.
William Fanning of Clondoty who took the farm was a member of the Loughmore Land League. This enraged people who felt he had abused his position to better himself.
Below is an account from the Nenagh Guardian 11 Jul 1885:
I have just added this Irish radio program. It takes a while to start.
about the Billy Fanning landgrabbing case of 1885. It was sent to me by a very kind Irish lady but I don’t know which station or when it was recorded.
It is a really interesting discussion and runs for 14 mins and you get to hear lovely Irish accents and pronunciations.
A descendant told me as a result of his taking this farm the entire Fanning family was boycotted.
The following transcription of a Special Commission Feb 1, 1889 was made by Mary Heaphy and is on Rootsweb Archives, 15 April 2007. Copied here with permission. Continue reading Billy Fanning of Clondoty, Co Tipperary Ireland
Patrick Fanning (c1809-22 Sept 1895) the son of William Fanning and Hanera Cormack came to live at Lisdonowley and his descendants still live there. He married Margaret Cantwell and had 14 children.
One of their sons James was the father of John Fanning born 1900 who was a member of the IRA and some have him being involved with the burning down of Lisheen Castle in 1921. After this he is said to have fled to America where he was followed and murdered. He died in 1931 so I am not so sure about him being murdered.
I have found John’s record of travel to America on the Ellis Island site. He emigrated, age 29, to New York on “The Carmania” from Queenstown (Cobh) on 28 April 1929. His mother’s name is given as next of kin and he was to stay with his aunt Mrs Margaret O’Donnell at 194 Court St Brooklyn New York. Margaret O’Donnell is most likely his mother Anne’s sister, Margaret Hogan.
In the recently released military transcripts John Fanning is listed as a captain of “D” Company in Moyne. These statements make fascinating reading as they give an incredibly vivid picture of what life was like around Thurles in 1920-21 during the War of Independence.
His descendants who I talked with recently cast some doubt on his involvement with the burning of this castle.
Lisheen Castle Burned
“At 11.20 on June 29 Lisheen Castle (Tipperary), the property of Mr. John F. O’Meara, corn merchant, Thurles, was maliciously destroyed by fire by a party of unknown civilians.”- Dublin Castle report.
Freemans Journal July 4 1921.
“Lisheen Castle was occupied at the time only by the caretaker, Patrick Sweeney. A number of men ordered him out, a drawing room window was smashed and petrol was thrown in. The deed was done by local IRA activists, whose names were known. Other buildings burned down around that time in Tipperary according to the Star report were Loran House, near Templemore, Derrycastle Bungalow overlooking Lough Derg, and vacant RIC barracks of Holycross, Shevry and Roskean.
John F. O’Meara was awarded £15,000 compensation the following October. The judge hearing the claim stated that he was satisfied that the O’Mearas intended to use it as their residence, and that it was an effective dwelling house at the time it was burned.”
(Taken from the Lisheen Castle website which has a excellent history of the castle and some wonderful photos in their gallery. The castle is also available to rent!)
I was reading a transcript of a talk given by Turtle Bunbury on Big House Families and Lisheen Castle was mentioned. This is the excerpt:
“Approximately 200 big houses were destroyed during the Irish Civil War, as well as 80 or so that went up in flames during the War of Independence. Some were destroyed because of hatred of the family. Some were taken out as possible enemy strongholds – Woodstock, in Co. Kilkenny, was one. Another was Lisheen in Co. Tipperary – I recently heard the tale of one of the Lloyds of Lisheen who had been a young girl when the house was burned and she came back to Ireland as an old woman and was introduced to an elderly man. He was one of the three lads that had set the castle ablaze. He apologized for burning the house and maintained it was not personal against the Lloyd family who were held in high regard by locals. “It was war. We were fighting for our country.” They did not want the British to have access to the castle which gave a commanding view of the area.”
I have been sent this extract which actually names those involved in the torching of the castle and John Fanning is not named. So that myth has been laid to rest. John Fanning of Lisdonowley was not one of the three.
“Lisheen Castle was burned towards midnight on 29th June 1921, just days before the Treaty was signed in 11th July 1921! Lisheen Castle was burned to prevent it being used for military purposes by the English. On that night, Mr. Patrick Sweeney, the caretaker living at Lisheen Castle, was ordered out of the Castle by three armed men, Mr. William Conroy of Ballyerk, Mr. John Ely of Moyneard, and Mr. Denis Maher of Moyne, who torched the Castle. No furniture or possessions were in the Castle at the time of the burning. Newly weds Camilla (nee O’Brien) and John O’Meara did not restore it after the burning, although they were well compensated (£15,900) and so it remained a picturesque ruin”
Source: “Moyne-Templetouhy. A Life of Its Own. The Story of a Tipperary Parish”. Hayes, W.J., 2001, Vol II p 452 published by Moyne-Templetouhy History Group, Thurles and Tipperary Star 2nd July 1921 and 8th October 1921.
In the Bureau of Military History witness statements, Sean Scott, a commandant in the IRA, states that he received news that the British forces were about to occupy Lisheen Castle and so he ordered it burned. Scott was in the second Battalion Tipperary, the Second Tipperary Brigade. John Fanning was in the same battalion and was the captain for Moyne where the castle is situated.
The photo below is not of the second Brigade but the third but I included it for interests sake. I would like to get a photo of the second brigade if it exists and someone has a copy.
John Fanning died in Brooklyn Kings New York on 28 Feb 1931 and was buried in St Johns Cemetery Queens New York, Section 25/Row N/Grave 74.Cemetery on 2 March. He was living at 255 Clinton St. Brooklyn New York. He was working as a clerk and was not married.
Joseph Fanning was the brother of Senator Michael Fanning and the son of William Fanning and Catherine Fogarty of Clondoty Co Tipperary. He was born at Clondoty in 1871. He and his brothers Michael and Patrick were very successful publicans in Dublin City.
Joseph married Mary Josephine Fogarty in Dublin in 1904. Mary Josephine was born at Bellewood in Templemore Co Tipperary.
In the foreground is Kate Teresa Crowe, Mary Josephine’s mother. Mary Josephine is in the trap. Joseph Fanning eventually lived at “Carnalea” Greystones, Co Wicklow. Greystones is a coastal town about 18 miles south of Dublin. Joseph Fanning died there in 1942.
Alice (Alyce) Constance Hedigan nee Fanning was born in Dublin North in 1918 and she married to John Hedigan in 1942 in Dublin South. She was a daughter of Joseph Fanning and Mary Josephine Fogarty. One of their sons is the Irish High Court Judge John Hedigan. Alyce died in 1993 and her husband in 1973. They lived at Geraldstown in Santry Dublin from 1947 to 1980 with their family of twelve children.
Below are photos of William Gerald Fanning 1907-1979, a son of Joseph Fanning. William was a solicitor and married Mary (Maureen) Kelly in Dublin in 1937.
The younger girl on the nannie’s lap would have been Mary Josephine(Ena) who died about 13 or 14 at boarding school. The other sister is most likely Myra who later became Mrs Murray-Hayden.
The following reports detail the ancestry of Joseph Fanning as well as his descendants.
When my parents visited Ireland in 1988 they went to Thurles. My father souvenired this page from the phonebook probably meaning to contact some Fannings and see if they were connected.
He didn’t get around to phoning but brought the page back with him. Perhaps they ran out of time being on a tour group. All he knew was that his ancestors came from Thurles. He had made a list of some of the Fannings from around Thurles from this page and it is a pity he didn’t call them as they were related!
Edward, known as Ned, was the second son of Edward Francis Fanning and Bridget Anna Collins. he was born at his grandparents’ home in Northcote, Melbourne, on June 1 1887.
His mother died in childbirth when he was one year old. His father married her sister Sarah in 1890 and had five children with her, only three survived to adulthood.
He was educated at Xavier College in Melbourne and his education and that of his older brother William was paid for by his grandparents Patrick and Mary Collins of Northcote.
Edward was the informant on his grandfather, Patrick Collin’s death certificate in 1905.
He worked as a clerk and lived in Northcote, Essendon and Caulfield. He married Mathilda (Hillda) O’Connor and they had one child, Catherine Mary (Maisie).
He died on the 15th of October, 1968 in Caulfield. He is said to have kept a diary up until 1967.
The following genealogy report details the ancestry of Edward Francis Fanning.
John Henry Fanning was the eldest son of “Big Bill” Fanning and Catherine Hayes. He was born in 1842 in Werribee, Victoria, Australia.
One story about him is that he took off and went up north to Queensland and was breaking in horses there. He was supposed to have been cut off by his father for doing this. He is also supposed to have eloped with the station manager or owner’s daughter.
He married Ellen Gormley in Sydney, in Nov 1870, at St Patrick’s Church. Ellen was the third third daughter and youngest child of Cornelius and Anne Gormley.
He married the daughter of Connor Gormley, a farmer in NSW. This may well have been where he was breaking horses. It looks that they may have eloped as they were married in Sydney which is a long way from either of their family homes. Although Ellen did get the permission of her father to marry as she was under the age of 18, although the above record has her age as 21? It also has her place of residence as Sydney.
Ellen’s parents were Cornelias (Connor) Gormley and Ann McDermid and Ellen was born in Ogulary (Townland or Parish of Ogulla) Co Roscommon, Ireland about 1851. Cornelius was the son of Thomas Gormley. She and her family came out to Australia on the “Ellenborough” arriving on 12th October, 1853. On board were her father, listed as Connor Gormley, a shepherd, aged 43, her mother, Ann aged 35, her sister Sarah, aged 11, her sister, Eliza aged 6 and Ellen aged 2. Her brothers, Thomas aged 13 and Peter aged 9, were also on board.
Her family lived near Kempsey in New South Wales at Belmore River, where they farmed. Her parents and brother and sister are buried in Frederickton Cemetery, just north of Kempsey.
John Henry Fanning was also not left the Family property which is customary as he was the eldest son. Was this because of his wild ways? or did he get the best deal anyway? “Emu Flat”, 342 acres purchased by his father on July 7 1855, was larger and supposedly a better property. John Henry’s branch of the family became known as the “Flat Fannings” as opposed to the “Hill Fannings” up on a hill at Bulla.
John Henry Fanning from Bulla is listed as signing the Petition for Clemency for Ned Kelly in 1880.
In 1888 he put up for sale land at Emu Creek:
When he died in 1894 at age 52, his youngest was one year old. Ellen Fanning leased Emu Flat and moved to Essendon. The property was sold about thirty years later and had become very run down.
John Fanning died without a will and his probate papers are online at PROV. His land of 346 acres was mortgaged and the remaining balance of his estate was 793 pounds.
On his land was a four roomed stone house. It is hard to imagine 18 people living in a four roomed house. Ellen came to live at 35 Keilor Rd Essendon with her children.
John Henry Fanning is buried in Bulla Cemetery with his wife Ellen Gormley and many of his seventeen children.
John Thomas Fanning, son of Ellen and John Henry Fanning and grandson of Cornelius and Ann Gormley, also lived at Belmore River before he enlisted in 1916. He is listed in the Sands Directory 1858-1933 at Gladstone in the years 1910-1914. In 1914 he had 14 horses and 65 cattle on 149 acres. Gladstone is a village in the Belmore River area. He farmed land owned by his uncle Peter Gormley. After Peter Gormley’s death in 1916 Ellen Fanning was left this land . She sold it in 1924.
Ellen Fanning died 21 May 1928, aged 76 years. In this grave is buried a John Fanning who was buried on 26 Nov 1925.There is no death record for him or details on the cemetery records other than his name and burial date.
John Henry Fanning died on the 28th October 1894, aged 52 years.
These graves are in the Bulla Cemetry, Victoria, Australia. A number of their children are also buried in the cemetery at Bulla:
The following reports trace the ancestry of John Henry Fanning back to Co Tipperary Ireland and also describe his descendants in Victoria Australia.
Michael Fanning was born in Clondoty near Thurles to William (Billy) Fanning and Catherine Fogarty on 15 Jan 1866.
He and his brothers Ned, Patrick and Joe went to Dublin and started businesses there as wine merchants. Joe and Michael stayed and Ned came back to Co Tipperary and bought Shanbally House near Moycarky.
Being a merchant Michael appears in various directories, as do his brothers.
Another of Michael’s brothers, James Joseph Fanning, born 1869, went to Liverpool where he was a victualler. He married Ellen Wills from Newry Co Down and they had four children only one of whom survived infancy. Ellen was a newsagent. He is buried in Liverpool Ford Cemetery. His death is also inscribed in Loughmore Cemetery one of the Fanning gravestones. He died in 1912 aged 43. In his will he left his widow 472 pounds the equivalent in today’s money of 45,000 pounds.
In 1901 and 1925 Michael lived at 19 Lincoln Place Dublin. Joe, a publican, was listed as residing at 1 Russell St Mountjoy Dublin.
He carried on a business as grocer and vintner at 19 Lincoln Place Dublin for many years. He was for a period chairman of the Licensed Vintners’ Association and was for many years a member of the South Dublin Union Board.
Michael married his cousin Margaret Ryan on 10 June 1901.
He was elected to the Senate in 1925 and served until 1936.
Below is an old picture of the premises in Lincoln Place. Not sure when it was taken or who is out the front, Michael most likely.
In 1921 19 Lincoln Place was put up for sale.
The premises is up for sale in 2009 and below is part of the advertising material.
An O’Connor descendant was told by a great aunt that Lincoln’s Inn was often filled with poets like Yeats and playwrights and politicians and that the members of the new Dial would often adjourn to Fannings for drinks and lively discussions. She also said Michael was know as “God Almighty Fanning” due to his penchant for beginning sentences with “God Almighty”.
He died in 1950 in Co Kildare at his daughter’s at Mylerstown House, Naas, and is buried in Glasnevin Cemetery, Dublin. Michael Fanning died in June 1950.
Honor Fanning, Michael’s daughter, married Andrew O’Connor.
The following reports details the ancestry of Michael Fanning back to William and Sarah Fannin of Lissaroon Co Tipperary Ireland and also his descendants.
Edward Fanning the son of Catherine Fogarty and William Fanning of Clondoty lived at Shanbally House. Below are photos of members of his family and Shanbally House as it is today. These wonderful old photos were kindly sent by Kate O’Sullivan, a descendant of Edward Fanning and Johannah Hogan.
William Fanning of Clondoty was Edward’s father and the son of William Fanning and Hanera Cormick of Lissaroon.
Edward Fanning’s parents were William Fanning and Catherine Fogarty of Clondoty.
Edward and Johannah Fanning’s three daughters. Joan (Johannah) Maureen (Mary) and Kitty (Catherine) Fanning.
From left to right: Joan and Patrick in front and in the back William, Edward (her father) and John Fanning.
Edward had a share in this business with Michael Fanning his brother but he sold it and bought Shanbally House around 1900 from the Kavanaghs.
Edward Fanning bought the house c1900 from the Kavanaghs. They had brought it from a Protestant leaseholder named Manning. Apparently Manning had a servant, a Ms Dwyer, who he got pregnant and she was shipped off to Queensland Australia. But the story has a happy ending. Manning sold Shanbally House to the Kavanaghs and went out to Australia where he married Ms Dwyer. The pieces of this story were put together when descendants of Manning and Ms Dwyer, from Australia, came to Shanbally House researching their ancestry.
I came across this death notice searching in Trove newspapers for something else:
The following genealogy reports trace the ancestors and descendants of Edward Fanning 1868-1948 Co Tipperary Ireland.
“Nov. 25th 1854 We, the undersigned Clergymen and Electors of the County of Tipperary, feeling a strong conviction that, whilst the present unnatural state of the land Laws in Ireland is permitted to continue, there can be no security or contentment on the part of the Tenant Class, no material improvement in the land and no real prosperity in the Country-notwithstanding even the ephemeral high prices that now exist for agricultural produce: and seeing that the present is the grandest opportunity ever offered us for securing the redress of this fundamental grievance, as well as of our other manifold wrongs, and being fully persuaded that any neglect or apathy at this favourable moment, in making our just claims thoroughly known and properly pressed on the Legislature, would be a disastrous error which we might never able to repair, and which, for centuries to come, might be fatal to the dearest interests of Ireland – Do hereby require a Public Meeting to be held in the Town of Thurles, on Sunday the 26th inst., for the purpose of advancing the cause of Tenant Right as propounded by the Irish Tenant League, and as recommended by the National Conference held in Dublin in the years 1852,1853,1854, and to petition Parliament in favour of same.”
Among the signatories : From Kill: John Fanning and Joseph Fanning