Unlikely that John fanning who married Judith Loobey in 1825 is the brother of William Patrick Fanning of Sunnyside Bulla as he would have been 16 when he married.
I have just come up as a DNA match to a descendant of the Fanning Stapleton family who came out to Australia in 1857 and 1858. They eventually settled in Esk Queensland. They had lived for some time in Guernsey in the Channel Islands.
The gentleman who matches me on Ancestry believes that John Fanning who married Judith Loobey was the brother of my grgrgrandfather William Patrick Fanning (Big Bill) of Sunnyside Bulla. He has joined my Fanning family with his on Ancestry.com. As yet I am not convinced that these two trees are connected.
I have just found the marriage record for John Fanning and Johanna Luby. They were married in an adjoining parish on 5 Feb 1825, in Boherlahan Parish. Judith Loobey came from Boherlahan and John Fanning from Moycarkey. Witnesses were John and ? Luby of Ballytarsna.
If John Fanning from Moycarkey was the son of Edmond Fanning and Judith Darmody born 1809 he would have been 16 years old when he married. This seems highly unlikely.
The only evidence or proof I have that this John Fanning who married Judith Looby is the son of Edward Fanning and Judy Darmody is my DNA match with this Fanning Stapleton descendant. But this match is quite small as we only share 8cms. This in itself could be okay but we don’t share any matches which is odd as I have two close Fanning cousins who are direct descendants on Ancestry and by rights they should have come up as matches. I have since found out that matches only come up if the people involved share at least 20 cms.
It is still quite possible that we are related but not as one of my grgrgrandfather’s brothers. On his tree he has many other Co Tipperary folk all living around Thurles where my grgrgrandfather was born.
I might add this family to my Ancestry tree and see if this produces any more matches. The offspring of John’s son Laurence and his wife Mary Stapleton were numerous. There must be many descendants of this family out there. Laurence Fanning and Mary Stapleton are in 58 trees on Ancestry!
I have two GedMatch numbers if any descendants want to see if we match. A029138 and T470174. My brother has done a Y chromosome test with FTDNA. His kit number is 120450. Early records are scarce so DNA matches may be the only way to figure out the relationship.
Here is some background on the Fanning Loobey Stapleton family. I’ll start with the children of John Fanning and Judith Looby. They lived in Moycarky near Thurles in Co Tipperary. John was a farmer.
Catherine Fanning born before 1830. I have no Baptism record for her as the Moycarky Church records start at 1830. Catherine came out to Australia in 1857 with her cousins, Walter and John Stapleton, on The Regina. her occupation was listed as cook. She paid a deposit for her brother Laurence Fanning and his family to come out in 1858 from Guernsey on The Mary Pleasants. Catherine was living in Surry Hills in Sydney. Her parents are listed as John and Johanna and deceased. She went on to marry George Ivory and died in Esk Queensland in 1878.
I have found the baptism records for four other children of John Fanning and Judith Looby.
Laurence (Larry) born Graigue baptised in Moycarky Parish 6 April 1830. Sponsors were Michael Looby and Mary Fanning. He married Mary Stapleton.
Ellen Fanning baptised 1 August 1832 in Moycarky Parish. Sponsors were John Donnelly and Mary Heffernan.
Mary Fanning, address Graigue, baptised in Moycarky Parish, 14 May 1834. Sponsors were Ed Donnelly and Anto Russell.
Johanna Fanning of Graigue baptised in Moycarky Parish on 3 Sept 1838. Sponsors were William Loughnane and Mary Cahill.
Laurence Fanning and his wife Mary Stapleton came out to Australia from Guernsey in 1858 on the Mary Pleasants. They arrived in Sydney from Liverpool on 16 Nov 1858 and settled first in Laidley Queensland and then in Esk Queensland. they came with three of their children: Johanna, Maria and John. John died on the voyage. Mary died in 1906 and Laurence the following year. They are buried in Esk. Laurence Fanning worked for the Queensland Rail.
Martin Fanning was born in Loughmore, Co Tipperary in ireland. He married Johanna Butler in 1868. He was a farmer at Taripta near Kyabram in Victoria Australia. His family lived in Castletown in Moyne Parish Co Tipperary.
Not sure if they are related but they could well be.
Martin Fanning died, age 72, on 7 Jan, 1910.
Johanna Fanning died 26 August 1913, aged 80 years.
Johanna had come out to Victoria on the Dirigo with 337 other single young women. The Dirigo arrived in Mar 1859. Johanna was 26.
There were other Butler young women aboard who may well have been related to Johanna: Jane 22, Mary 23, Mary Rose 17, Rose M 16. But Butler is not an uncommon surname .
Martin Fanning married Johanna Butler in Victoria in 1864. Her parents were John Butler & Margaret O’Donnell. I could not find any baptism records for Johanna in Ireland.
Martin and Johanna had at least three children: John 1868-1960, William 1867-1933, & Johanna. Johanna died in 1940. They farmed near Kyabram at a place called Taripta.
Martin’s parents were William Fanning & Margaret Grace from Co Tipperary in Ireland.
William Fanning of Loughmore married Margaret Grace of Moyne on 5 Feb, 1827. Witnessed by Thomas Kerin & James Grace. They lived in the townland of Castletown in the parish of Moyne, Co Tipperary north.
In The Tithe Applotment Books and Tithe Defaulters lists there is a James Fanning living in Moyntemple. This was in 1827 & 1828. Possibly the father of William or a brother.
In Griffiths Valuations for Castletown, printed in 1849, William was living on 42 acres in Castletown townland.
William and Margaret Fanning nee Grace are buried in Moyne Cemetery. William was a farmer and died 27 Jan 1874, age 78. His wife Margaret died 10 Dec 1883, aged 74. (her death date & age from the civil record).
They had the following children: Patrick 25 Dec 1827, Michael 20 Dec 1829, James 26 July 1832, Martin 12 Nov 1834, Thomas 19 Nov 1838, and Judy (Johanna) 29 Mar 1842. All these children were born in Moyne Parish.
Patrick Fanning married Mary Kennedy and they lived in Castletown and are in the 1901 census. They do not appear to have had any children. Mary died in 1928. She was a widow and left 700 ponds to Patrick Kennedy. Most likely her brother.
I haven’t been able to find any marriage or death records for James Fanning.
Thomas did not marry and Judy or Johanna died age 28, single.
Michael married Johanna Shanahan of Lisdonowley on the 15th Feb1885. He died on 10 Mar 1887, aged 47 (civil death record dates & age). According to the 1911 Census they had one child who was not living in 1911. His wife Johanna died 5 Feb 1930 aged 77. After her husband’s death she lived with her brothers in Lisdonowley.
Martin emigrated to Victoria Australia and settled near Kyabram.
William Fanning, originally from Loughmore Co Tipperary Ireland, died in 1861, age 60, at his residence in NSW. He was born about 1800 and is buried in Haydonton Cemetery NSW.
A William Fanning, originally from Loughmore Co Tipperary Ireland, died in 1861, age 60, at his residence in NSW. He was born about 1800 and is buried in Haydonton Cemetery NSW.
I came across his death notice when searching in Trove digital newspapers which keep getting more and more Australian newspapers added all the time. An fantastic free resource for genealogists.
There is a story that about ten years after my gggrandfather came out to Australia in 1841 a group of relatives arrived. The story goes that he was not very welcoming and they stayed in his stables. But he also let them stay on some land he had in the city of Melbourne. I have not been able to track them down so am always interested when I come across Fannings from the area in which my ancestors lived.
I had a look around and found that his father was a James Fanning and mother Margaret. There was also a William Fanning aged 48 who arrived on the “China” in 1854 with his family either to Newcastle or Sydney. This could be him as the age is about right.
With him on the China was Mary aged 14, Mary aged 46, Margaret aged 19, Anne aged 16 and Catherine aged 10. Given that he had all daughters the Fanning name would have disappeared in Murrurundi. Catherine married Joseph Greer in Murrurundi in 1867.
Mary his wife died in 1878. Her father was William and her mother Mary.
There are records in North Tipperary Rootsweb for Mary Fanning born 1837 and Catherine born 1842 both in Holycross Parish Co Tipperary to William Fanning and Mary Cronin.
Like to hear from anyone with more information on this William Fanning and his parents back in Ireland.
Joseph Fanning from Thurles Co Tipperary was living in Kilmore Victoria Australia around 1906, he inherited a farm near Thurles from his brother and was to return to Tipperary. Looking for information on him.
There was a Joseph Fanning living in Kilmore Victoria Australia in 1906. He was from Co Tipperary.
The article below from the Kilmore Free press states that he inherited a farm near Thurles from his brother and was to go back there in three months time.
I had a look in the Irish census for 1911 for Tipperary and could see no Joseph Fanning.
So If anyone knows anything about this Joseph Fanning please let me know.
He was living in the Kilmore area in Feb 1905 as he had his watch stolen!
In 1907 his name was on a list of voters being objected to probably because they were no longer rate payers which indicates he was no longer a resident. Unless he returned to Ireland and died some time between 1907 and 1911.
I can’t find any death records for him. Curious to know if he is connected to my family.
“Sunnyside” was the original homestead of William Patrick Fanning and his wife Catherine Hayes who emigrated from Thurles Co Tipperary Ireland to Victoria on the Enmore in 1841. They spent some time at Werribee before settling here at Bulla north of Melbourne. These photos were taken in in c1867, 1907, c1940 and 2011.
“Sunnyside” was the original homestead of William Patrick Fanning and his wife Catherine Hayes who emigrated from Thurles Co Tipperary Ireland to Victoria on the Enmore in 1841. They spent some time at Werribee before settling at Bulla which is north of Melbourne.
John Thomas Fanning (1878-1957) was the son of Ellen Gormley and John Henry Fanning. He was born in Bulla Victoria, lived for some time in NSW and was a soldier in WWI. He married Annie Tapscott and had two sons. He died in Coburg Victoria Australia.
John Thomas Fanning was the third son of Ellen Gormley and John Henry Fanning. He was born at Bulla in Victoria in 1878.
He was also the father of the famous Melbourne full forward, Fred Fanning and I have been told that John Thomas was himself a very talented boxer and althlete who held various sporting records.
Before he enlisted in 1916 he was living and farming at Belmore River NSW on land owned by his uncle Peter Gormley. John Thomas was reported in The Macleay Argus, 24 June 1910, as having donated money, five shillings, to the Dr Casement Memorial Fund for the Belmore River area. His mother Ellen Fanning was left this land and she eventually sold it in 1926. Before he enlisted John Thomas Fanning held an auction of his goods.
Published in the Macleay Chronicle Feb 3 1915.
Belmore River is where the relations of John Thomas Fanning were living. John Thomas’ mother was Ellen Gormley. His grandfather was Cornelias “Connor” Gormley. The Gormley family grave is in Frederickton Cemetery, near Kempsey, NSW. Belmore River is near the village of Gladstone and is a very beautiful lush farming area near the coast. Even today there are probably only about 30 farms/houses along the river.
John Thomas Fanning was a 38 year old farmer and single when he enlisted in Sydney on the 30th October, 1916. His address was given as Bulla, Victoria and his next of kin, his mother Ellen Fanning, of the same address.
His unit was called The March 1917 Reinforcements and embarked from Sydney on the “Marathon” on May 10, 1917. John Thomas was a driver. He returned to Australia on the 23rd of March, 1919.
After the war he returned and married Annie Tapscott and had two children. One of these, Frederick, was the famous Melbourne footballer, Fred Fanning. He did not return to NSW and lived the remainder of his life in Coburg Melbourne and worked as a rubber worker.
He died in Heidelberg in 1957 and is buried in a military grave in Bulla Cemetery.
The following detailed genealogy reports trace the ancestry of John Thomas Fanning back to William Fannin of Lissaroon Co Tipperary Ireland and also his descendants in Victoria Australia.
Edward Francis Fanning, 1887-1968, was the second son of Edward Francis Fanning and Bridget Anna Collins. He married Matilda O’Connor and had one child Catherine. He worked as a clerk and died at Melbourne Australia in 1968.
Edward, known as Ned, was the second son of Edward Francis Fanning and Bridget Anna Collins. he was born at his grandparents’ home in Northcote, Melbourne, on June 1 1887.
His mother died in childbirth when he was one year old. His father married her sister Sarah in 1890 and had five children with her, only three survived to adulthood.
He was educated at Xavier College in Melbourne and his education and that of his older brother William was paid for by his grandparents Patrick and Mary Collins of Northcote.
Edward was the informant on his grandfather, Patrick Collin’s death certificate in 1905.
He worked as a clerk and lived in Northcote, Essendon and Caulfield. He married Mathilda (Hillda) O’Connor and they had one child, Catherine Mary (Maisie).
He died on the 15th of October, 1968 in Caulfield. He is said to have kept a diary up until 1967.
The following genealogy report details the ancestry of Edward Francis Fanning.
John Henry Fanning was born in Victoria Australia in 1842, son of William Patrick Fanning and Catherine Hayes, and died in Melbourne in 1894. He married Ellen Gormley and had sixteen children with her. He was a farmer and lived at Emu Flat in Bulla Victoria. he is buried in Bulla Cemetery.
John Henry Fanning was the eldest son of “Big Bill” Fanning and Catherine Hayes. He was born in 1842 in Werribee, Victoria, Australia.
One story about him is that he took off and went up north to Queensland and was breaking in horses there. He was supposed to have been cut off by his father for doing this. He is also supposed to have eloped with the station manager or owner’s daughter.
He married Ellen Gormley in Sydney, in Nov 1870, at St Patrick’s Church. Ellen was the third third daughter and youngest child of Cornelius and Anne Gormley.
He married the daughter of Connor Gormley, a farmer in NSW. This may well have been where he was breaking horses. It looks that they may have eloped as they were married in Sydney which is a long way from either of their family homes. Although Ellen did get the permission of her father to marry as she was under the age of 18, although the above record has her age as 21? It also has her place of residence as Sydney.
Ellen’s parents were Cornelias (Connor) Gormley and Ann McDermid and Ellen was born in Ogulary (Townland or Parish of Ogulla) Co Roscommon, Ireland about 1851. Cornelius was the son of Thomas Gormley. She and her family came out to Australia on the “Ellenborough” arriving on 12th October, 1853. On board were her father, listed as Connor Gormley, a shepherd, aged 43, her mother, Ann aged 35, her sister Sarah, aged 11, her sister, Eliza aged 6 and Ellen aged 2. Her brothers, Thomas aged 13 and Peter aged 9, were also on board.
Her family lived near Kempsey in New South Wales at Belmore River, where they farmed. Her parents and brother and sister are buried in Frederickton Cemetery, just north of Kempsey.
John Henry Fanning was also not left the Family property which is customary as he was the eldest son. Was this because of his wild ways? or did he get the best deal anyway? “Emu Flat”, 342 acres purchased by his father on July 7 1855, was larger and supposedly a better property. John Henry’s branch of the family became known as the “Flat Fannings” as opposed to the “Hill Fannings” up on a hill at Bulla.
John Henry Fanning from Bulla is listed as signing the Petition for Clemency for Ned Kelly in 1880.
In 1888 he put up for sale land at Emu Creek:
John Henry Fanning died aged 52, in 1894 in St Kilda, Melbourne of a liver ulcer which he was sick with for six months. He was supposed to have died after being trodden on by a cow.
When he died in 1894 at age 52, his youngest was one year old. Ellen Fanning leased Emu Flat and moved to Essendon. The property was sold about thirty years later and had become very run down.
John Fanning died without a will and his probate papers are online at PROV. His land of 346 acres was mortgaged and the remaining balance of his estate was 793 pounds.
On his land was a four roomed stone house. It is hard to imagine 18 people living in a four roomed house. Ellen came to live at 35 Keilor Rd Essendon with her children.
John Henry Fanning is buried in Bulla Cemetery with his wife Ellen Gormley and many of his seventeen children.
John Thomas Fanning, son of Ellen and John Henry Fanning and grandson of Cornelius and Ann Gormley, also lived at Belmore River before he enlisted in 1916. He is listed in the Sands Directory 1858-1933 at Gladstone in the years 1910-1914. In 1914 he had 14 horses and 65 cattle on 149 acres. Gladstone is a village in the Belmore River area. He farmed land owned by his uncle Peter Gormley. After Peter Gormley’s death in 1916 Ellen Fanning was left this land . She sold it in 1924.
Ellen Fanning died 21 May 1928, aged 76 years. In this grave is buried a John Fanning who was buried on 26 Nov 1925.There is no death record for him or details on the cemetery records other than his name and burial date.
John Henry Fanning died on the 28th October 1894, aged 52 years.
These graves are in the Bulla Cemetry, Victoria, Australia. A number of their children are also buried in the cemetery at Bulla:
The following reports trace the ancestry of John Henry Fanning back to Co Tipperary Ireland and also describe his descendants in Victoria Australia.