Unlikely that John fanning who married Judith Loobey in 1825 is the brother of William Patrick Fanning of Sunnyside Bulla as he would have been 16 when he married.
I have just come up as a DNA match to a descendant of the Fanning Stapleton family who came out to Australia in 1857 and 1858. They eventually settled in Esk Queensland. They had lived for some time in Guernsey in the Channel Islands.
The gentleman who matches me on Ancestry believes that John Fanning who married Judith Loobey was the brother of my grgrgrandfather William Patrick Fanning (Big Bill) of Sunnyside Bulla. He has joined my Fanning family with his on Ancestry.com. As yet I am not convinced that these two trees are connected.
I have just found the marriage record for John Fanning and Johanna Luby. They were married in an adjoining parish on 5 Feb 1825, in Boherlahan Parish. Judith Loobey came from Boherlahan and John Fanning from Moycarkey. Witnesses were John and ? Luby of Ballytarsna.
If John Fanning from Moycarkey was the son of Edmond Fanning and Judith Darmody born 1809 he would have been 16 years old when he married. This seems highly unlikely.
The only evidence or proof I have that this John Fanning who married Judith Looby is the son of Edward Fanning and Judy Darmody is my DNA match with this Fanning Stapleton descendant. But this match is quite small as we only share 8cms. This in itself could be okay but we don’t share any matches which is odd as I have two close Fanning cousins who are direct descendants on Ancestry and by rights they should have come up as matches. I have since found out that matches only come up if the people involved share at least 20 cms.
It is still quite possible that we are related but not as one of my grgrgrandfather’s brothers. On his tree he has many other Co Tipperary folk all living around Thurles where my grgrgrandfather was born.
I might add this family to my Ancestry tree and see if this produces any more matches. The offspring of John’s son Laurence and his wife Mary Stapleton were numerous. There must be many descendants of this family out there. Laurence Fanning and Mary Stapleton are in 58 trees on Ancestry!
I have two GedMatch numbers if any descendants want to see if we match. A029138 and T470174. My brother has done a Y chromosome test with FTDNA. His kit number is 120450. Early records are scarce so DNA matches may be the only way to figure out the relationship.
Here is some background on the Fanning Loobey Stapleton family. I’ll start with the children of John Fanning and Judith Looby. They lived in Moycarky near Thurles in Co Tipperary. John was a farmer.
Catherine Fanning born before 1830. I have no Baptism record for her as the Moycarky Church records start at 1830. Catherine came out to Australia in 1857 with her cousins, Walter and John Stapleton, on The Regina. her occupation was listed as cook. She paid a deposit for her brother Laurence Fanning and his family to come out in 1858 from Guernsey on The Mary Pleasants. Catherine was living in Surry Hills in Sydney. Her parents are listed as John and Johanna and deceased. She went on to marry George Ivory and died in Esk Queensland in 1878.
I have found the baptism records for four other children of John Fanning and Judith Looby.
Laurence (Larry) born Graigue baptised in Moycarky Parish 6 April 1830. Sponsors were Michael Looby and Mary Fanning. He married Mary Stapleton.
Ellen Fanning baptised 1 August 1832 in Moycarky Parish. Sponsors were John Donnelly and Mary Heffernan.
Mary Fanning, address Graigue, baptised in Moycarky Parish, 14 May 1834. Sponsors were Ed Donnelly and Anto Russell.
Johanna Fanning of Graigue baptised in Moycarky Parish on 3 Sept 1838. Sponsors were William Loughnane and Mary Cahill.
Laurence Fanning and his wife Mary Stapleton came out to Australia from Guernsey in 1858 on the Mary Pleasants. They arrived in Sydney from Liverpool on 16 Nov 1858 and settled first in Laidley Queensland and then in Esk Queensland. they came with three of their children: Johanna, Maria and John. John died on the voyage. Mary died in 1906 and Laurence the following year. They are buried in Esk. Laurence Fanning worked for the Queensland Rail.
Martin Fanning was born in Loughmore, Co Tipperary in ireland. He married Johanna Butler in 1868. He was a farmer at Taripta near Kyabram in Victoria Australia. His family lived in Castletown in Moyne Parish Co Tipperary.
Not sure if they are related but they could well be.
Martin Fanning died, age 72, on 7 Jan, 1910.
Johanna Fanning died 26 August 1913, aged 80 years.
Johanna had come out to Victoria on the Dirigo with 337 other single young women. The Dirigo arrived in Mar 1859. Johanna was 26.
There were other Butler young women aboard who may well have been related to Johanna: Jane 22, Mary 23, Mary Rose 17, Rose M 16. But Butler is not an uncommon surname .
Martin Fanning married Johanna Butler in Victoria in 1864. Her parents were John Butler & Margaret O’Donnell. I could not find any baptism records for Johanna in Ireland.
Martin and Johanna had at least three children: John 1868-1960, William 1867-1933, & Johanna. Johanna died in 1940. They farmed near Kyabram at a place called Taripta.
Martin’s parents were William Fanning & Margaret Grace from Co Tipperary in Ireland.
William Fanning of Loughmore married Margaret Grace of Moyne on 5 Feb, 1827. Witnessed by Thomas Kerin & James Grace. They lived in the townland of Castletown in the parish of Moyne, Co Tipperary north.
In The Tithe Applotment Books and Tithe Defaulters lists there is a James Fanning living in Moyntemple. This was in 1827 & 1828. Possibly the father of William or a brother.
In Griffiths Valuations for Castletown, printed in 1849, William was living on 42 acres in Castletown townland.
William and Margaret Fanning nee Grace are buried in Moyne Cemetery. William was a farmer and died 27 Jan 1874, age 78. His wife Margaret died 10 Dec 1883, aged 74. (her death date & age from the civil record).
They had the following children: Patrick 25 Dec 1827, Michael 20 Dec 1829, James 26 July 1832, Martin 12 Nov 1834, Thomas 19 Nov 1838, and Judy (Johanna) 29 Mar 1842. All these children were born in Moyne Parish.
Patrick Fanning married Mary Kennedy and they lived in Castletown and are in the 1901 census. They do not appear to have had any children. Mary died in 1928. She was a widow and left 700 ponds to Patrick Kennedy. Most likely her brother.
I haven’t been able to find any marriage or death records for James Fanning.
Thomas did not marry and Judy or Johanna died age 28, single.
Michael married Johanna Shanahan of Lisdonowley on the 15th Feb1885. He died on 10 Mar 1887, aged 47 (civil death record dates & age). According to the 1911 Census they had one child who was not living in 1911. His wife Johanna died 5 Feb 1930 aged 77. After her husband’s death she lived with her brothers in Lisdonowley.
Martin emigrated to Victoria Australia and settled near Kyabram.
William Fanning, originally from Loughmore Co Tipperary Ireland, died in 1861, age 60, at his residence in NSW. He was born about 1800 and is buried in Haydonton Cemetery NSW.
A William Fanning, originally from Loughmore Co Tipperary Ireland, died in 1861, age 60, at his residence in NSW. He was born about 1800 and is buried in Haydonton Cemetery NSW.
I came across his death notice when searching in Trove digital newspapers which keep getting more and more Australian newspapers added all the time. An fantastic free resource for genealogists.
There is a story that about ten years after my gggrandfather came out to Australia in 1841 a group of relatives arrived. The story goes that he was not very welcoming and they stayed in his stables. But he also let them stay on some land he had in the city of Melbourne. I have not been able to track them down so am always interested when I come across Fannings from the area in which my ancestors lived.
I had a look around and found that his father was a James Fanning and mother Margaret. There was also a William Fanning aged 48 who arrived on the “China” in 1854 with his family either to Newcastle or Sydney. This could be him as the age is about right.
With him on the China was Mary aged 14, Mary aged 46, Margaret aged 19, Anne aged 16 and Catherine aged 10. Given that he had all daughters the Fanning name would have disappeared in Murrurundi. Catherine married Joseph Greer in Murrurundi in 1867.
Mary his wife died in 1878. Her father was William and her mother Mary.
There are records in North Tipperary Rootsweb for Mary Fanning born 1837 and Catherine born 1842 both in Holycross Parish Co Tipperary to William Fanning and Mary Cronin.
Like to hear from anyone with more information on this William Fanning and his parents back in Ireland.
Joseph Fanning from Thurles Co Tipperary was living in Kilmore Victoria Australia around 1906, he inherited a farm near Thurles from his brother and was to return to Tipperary. Looking for information on him.
There was a Joseph Fanning living in Kilmore Victoria Australia in 1906. He was from Co Tipperary.
The article below from the Kilmore Free press states that he inherited a farm near Thurles from his brother and was to go back there in three months time.
I had a look in the Irish census for 1911 for Tipperary and could see no Joseph Fanning.
So If anyone knows anything about this Joseph Fanning please let me know.
He was living in the Kilmore area in Feb 1905 as he had his watch stolen!
In 1907 his name was on a list of voters being objected to probably because they were no longer rate payers which indicates he was no longer a resident. Unless he returned to Ireland and died some time between 1907 and 1911.
I can’t find any death records for him. Curious to know if he is connected to my family.
The Glass family lived in Yackandandah Victoria Australia. They originated from Bratton in Wiltshire England. My grandmother’s sister Eileen Mackey married Joseph Glass. There are many Glass family members buried in Yackandandah cemetery.
Eileen Mackey married Joseph Glass in Melbourne on 20 November 1919. Eileen called “Sis” was my grandmother’s sister.
When my father was growing up he had a lot to do with his cousins, Joe and Bernard, sons of Eileen and Joe, even though they lived in country Victoria at Yackandandah. Because of his fondness for his cousins I have included old photos that we found in a biscuit box and information I have gathered on the Glass family in my Fanning research.
While I am not a direct Glass descendant I hope these photos and the report may be of interest to those who are directly related to the Glass family. I would love to know who the other people are in the above wedding photo.
“Sunnyside” was the original homestead of William Patrick Fanning and his wife Catherine Hayes who emigrated from Thurles Co Tipperary Ireland to Victoria on the Enmore in 1841. They spent some time at Werribee before settling here at Bulla north of Melbourne. These photos were taken in in c1867, 1907, c1940 and 2011.
“Sunnyside” was the original homestead of William Patrick Fanning and his wife Catherine Hayes who emigrated from Thurles Co Tipperary Ireland to Victoria on the Enmore in 1841. They spent some time at Werribee before settling at Bulla which is north of Melbourne.
The Gormley family lived at Belmore River then called Darkwater River. They were farmers and owned a number of parcels of land from the 1860s. In the years preceding the First World War, John Thomas Fanning, the grandson of Cornelius Gormley farmed at Belmore River on land left to his mother Ellen by her brother Peter Gormley.
The Gormleys from Co Roscommon Ireland lived and farmed around Gladstone and Belmore River NSW. They had emigrated in 1863.
John Thomas Fanning, the son of Ellen Fanning nee Gormley, also farmed land on Belmore River, on land which his mother had inherited from her brother Peter Gormley. He was there in the years preceding the First World War when he enlisted.
On the property John Thomas Fanning farmed I was told the original farmhouse burned down in the 1940s. Fortunately and coincidentally the owners had all their belongings out the front of the house when it burned down!
All that is left along Belmore River from the days the Gormleys lived in this area are old sheds and fences.
I looked for old farmhouses dating back to the time the Gormleys lived there but the only one I think could be that old is the one that was most likely the Ryan home.
The present owner told me that when he bought the house he was advised to pull it down but he didn’t. The design is very old with the separate kitchen to prevent the whole house burning down if the kitchen caught fire! He said that when he was doing some repairs the old fireplace had 1903 marked on it and the rest of the house pre dates this fire place.
The village closest to Belmore River is Gladstone which was called Darkwater Village. It has quite a few historic and well preserved buildings dating back to 1873.
Thomas Mackey was born in Co Limerick Ireland in 1853. He emigrated to Victoria Australia as did other members of his family. He married Bridget Burns in Echuca Victoria and they had nine children He worked as a draper and died in 1926. He is buried in Fawkner Cemetery Melbourne Australia.
Thomas Mackey, was from Co Limerick, Ireland. He was baptised on April 24, 1853 in Kilduff in the Parish of Pallasgrean & Templebredon in Co Limerick. His godparents were Patrick Mackey and Mary Treacy. His mother was Bridget Treacy and his father Thomas Mackey, a farmer.His grandparents were Patrick Mackey and Catherine Dwyer.
In Griffiths Valuation in the townland of Kilduff (1.5 kms from Pallasgrean) published in Nov 1850 there is a Thomas Mackey a farmer and also a John Mackey.
Griffiths Valuation for Kilduff Townland Co Limerick c 1850
Mackey Family Griffiths Valuation Showing Kilduff Townland Co Limerick c1850
I have started looking for connections between the various Mackey families in the areas surrounding Kilduff. Trying to find my 4x great grandparents, the parents of Patrick Mackey who married Catherine Dwyer.
In the 1901 Census for Kiduff Co Limerick Patrick Mackey and his family are listed. He was born about 1851 and is most likely an older brother of Thomas.
Thomas Mackey came out to Victoria about 1880 and was a draper. One of his descendants told me he was a floor walker in a major department store in Melbourne at some time in his working life.
In 1882 his address was Bourke St Melbourne and he was a draper. From 1903-1924 he lived in McPherson St Essendon.
Three of Thomas’s brothers and one sister and an uncle all came out to Australia, although not at the same time. There may also have been cousins as well who made the journey from Ireland.
His sister Catherine, born in 1835, and who married William Real in Co Limerick, came out in 1857. She died in 1900 in Northcote, Victoria.
Daniel Mackey who was born in 1842, died in Bendigo, at age 30, after being out here for only three years. He is buried in Sandhurst Cemetery, Bendigo, Victoria. There was a Daniel Mackey with a William and Nicholas Mackey (possibly cousins) who came out on the “Ocean Empress” in 1862. Catherine and Daniel Mackey are listed as being born in Pallasgrean Co Limerick. Edmond Mackey born 1856, also emigrated to Victoria. There he married Julia Ann Briscoe and they had a family of eight children. He died in Fitzroy in 1906.
Thomas Mackey aged 29, married Bridget Christina Burns, aged 23, on May 1, 1882 at St Mary’s Church, Echuca, Victoria. Bridget Christina Burns was born in Sunbury, Victoria in 1859. Her parents were Bryan Burns and Mary Canavan, both from Co Galway Ireland.
Below is their wedding record and a wedding notice from The Argus. Bridget’s father’s name is given as Berned Burns:
Thomas and Bridget had nine children: Thomas Bernard 1883-1957, who married Anastasia Hearn; Eileen Alana 1884-1929 married, Joseph Glass and lived at Yackandandah; Victor Francis 1886-1944, married Adelaide Mathews; Mary Margaret 1888-1981, married Archibald Breen, Ida Theresa 1890-1974, married Francis Collins Fanning; Edmond John 1893-1951, married Ethel Belden; Christopher Patrick 1894-1958, married Barbara Pleasant Lohman; Alfred William 1896-1963, married Alice May Shanks; Doris Catherine 1899-1954, married Francis Cyril Antonie.
Thomas Mackey died on the first of June, 1926, aged 73, from bronchitis and cardiac failure. He is buried in the Fawkner Cemetery Melbourne Victoria Australia.
The following detailed genealogy report from Family Tree Maker traces the descendants of Thomas Mackey of Pallasgreen Co Limerick Ireland born about 1808 and Bridget Treacy his wife to present day Mackey family in Victoria Australia: