Priests’ Comments on Baptism and Marriage Records, Co Tipperary, Ireland

As I trawled through many baptism and marriage records my interest was taken by anything out of the ordinary.

This storm  on 15 Feb 1838 was so great the Borrisokane priest noted the occurrence in the marriage register:

Here the priest at Borrisokane Parish describes a terrible hurricane which hit Ireland in Jan 1839:

Another storm

5 Feb 1850 a another storm in Borrisokane

However, nearly all of the priests’ notations concerned the morals of his parishioners rather than the weather!

Calling children born out of wedlock bastards was common.

14 April 1850 Holycross/Ballycahill Parish Co Tipperary
Baptism In Drom & Inch Parish April 1833
Drom & Inch 1839

1840 Baptism Drom & Inch

In Moykarky Parish around 1850, one of the priests conducting the baptism called illegitimate girls Hedwig (in latin Hedwigis) Was this so everyone would know they were illegitimate? No other children were called this.An example is below:

Illegitimate child of a Protestant father 1854 Drom & Inch Parish

The baptism records have illeg (illegitimate) clearly marked and often the father’s address and occupation. One priest, no doubt gleefully, pointed out the father was the son of the Protestant pastor!

Priest’s comment on baptism record Feb 1840 Thurles Parish Not sure what he was referring to.
Note the cross next to the record. 1864 Holycross

Some of the priests marked the record with the word bastard in large letters!  Most of the records for illegitimate children have a large cross next to them.

1833 Thurles Parish. Priest’s comments re the father of this illegitimate child.

One kinder priest has entered such a birth as a “natural birth” but this compassion is rare.

Borrisoleigh Baptism record 1816
1 Nov 1817 Loughmore Parish
The latin way of saying born outside marriage.
Outside of marriage? Latin rant. Moyne Baptism record for Oct 1819
From Drom & Inch baptisms 1828.
The father is married. 1855 Thurles Parish Baptism record.
A married man and a virtuous wife Moycarky Parish 1843
Drom & Inch 1838 Father’s name not entered.
No Father’s name given 1862 Drom & Inch Parish
Child out of wedlock Drom & Inch 1839
Drom Parish Baptism record
The word “spurious” written after the Baptism record Thurles 10 Jun 1825
Looks like spurious has turned into suspicious! Thurles Baptism record 1826

Pointing the finger! 1842 Drom & Inch Parish
“Pater Dubious” Drom & Inch Parish 1843

A couple of baptism records have the word “dub” which puzzled me, until I came across the full word “dubious”. The priest believes the father on the certificate is not the actual father.

Illegitimate or not, dubious 1840 Moycarky Parish priest
priest’s comments “doubtful” & “stranger” 1833

At the beginning of the baptism records for Loughmore Parish on the side of the first page is written the codes used to designate births out of wedlock etc. While shocking it is less so than the words”bastard” on many other records. But it shows the extent to which the priests monitored the lives and morals of their parishioners.

Not all parish records have crosses and comments it seems to have been very much up to the priest. Drom & Inch Parish stands out for the numerous condemnatory crosses and comments whereas in Borrisoleigh occassionally records are marked with a cross or designated “illegitimate” but the whole tone is a lot friendlier.

+ children born out of wedlock; / where parents married after the child’s birth; + where either of the parents was an adulterer;o the person who violated the marriage bed. Marks placed on baptism records by the priest in Loughmore Paris from 1798
Marks made by the priest re illegitimacy and relationships
Wrong father listed, priest’s comments Moyne 13 July 1817

Not sure what the scandal being avoided was in this case? was it a pregnancy or because of who she was marrying?

Marriage record 2 Oct 1870, Moyne Templetuohy Parish, Co Tipperary
Poor servant girl and the Protestant. Thurles 1834
Priest’s note added to record 1834 Thurles
Sarcasm?
“An Old Protestant Blackguard” Thurles 1836
Strangers 1840 Drom & Inch Parish Baptism

Another “stranger” entry:

“Stranger” July 1843 Drom & Inch Parish
Pauper 15 July 1820 Loughmore
Vagrants Borrisoleigh 1819
A foundling found in Pudding Lane Thurles 1835
Child left at Mrs O’Shea’s Hotel Thurles Jan 1839
Foundling 1845 Drom & Inch
Foundling Moycarky 29 Apr 1836
Foundling named after where she was found in Moycarky Parish 1842

It seems that foundlings were sometimes given surnames related to where they were found, for example, John Ditch or Margaret Field. Below is an example

Moycarky Parish 1844 baptism of a foundling named Mary Green after being found in a green field.
Winifred Highway, a foundling, Moycarky 1852
Conditional baptism of a foundling 1856 Drom & Inch parish

Travellers are mentioned. Are they gypsies?

“Viatoros” written on the Thurles Baptism record meaning pilgrim or wanderer or other name for traveler or vagrant?
“vagrants of uncertain residence” Moyne Parish 18 June 1822

The address of the father of an illegitimate child was often included or their occupation.

A Protestant policeman in Borrisoleigh has twins out of wedlock, 22 May 1873

Note on Baptism record Thurles 1839
Another paternity dispute entered on the Baptism record by the priest 1841 Thurles
another excommunication 1841 Thurles
“An old offender” More comments 1842 Thurles
Scandal in Moycarky Parish 1840
An illegitimate birth as a result of a rape in Plymouth England Moycarky Parish 1852

A priest comments on another priest in Bourney & Corbally Parish:

From Borrisokane Parish 1838 “incestuous commerce” :

Priest’s comment on this couple marrying in Borrisokane Parish in 1848 in the famine years.

Holycross & Ballycahill Fanning Baptism Records Co Tipperary 1835-1878

Holycross & Ballycahill Catholic Parish Co Tipperary Ireland

The Catholic Parish records on nli online go from 1835 to 1878. The Civil records for births, deaths and marriages start at 1864 so from then you should be able to find two records. Civil records are online and free at irishgenealogy.ie  Births up till 1916.

Didn’t find many Fannings in this parish that appear to be related to me and most of the townlands are unfamiliar. I thought there would be more as Holycross & Ballycahill Parish is next to Drom & Inch Parish.

The most notable Fanning families and connections were between the Tuohy and McGraths and Long and Fanning women in Grange. Don’t as yet know if there is any connection between these Fanning women and Lissaroon.

I will follow this up as I seem to remember that they emigrated en mass and there is a web site researching all these families from here and Upperchurch who went to America permanently. Given that they all had young families and babies during the famine years it is no wonder they chose to leave and start anew in America.

Thomas Long & Catherine Fanning arrived in USA in 1852 via Canada with their children and settled in Fabius. Have a look at McGrath search.com and Upperchurch Arrivals which has information on Thomas Long and his family. Neighbours in Ireland by Michael McGraw, Austin, Texas and Clare Tuohy, Dublin, Ireland is well worth reading. Extremely well researched and fascinating.

Here are a few extracts from this site:

Fanning (Fanning siblings and cousins) – Grange – All to New Orleans, LA
Bridget Fanning = Patrick McGrath
Thomas Fanning = Bridget Purcell
Amy Fanning = Patrick Ryan
Margaret Fanning
Honora Fanning = Patrick Purcell
Other McGraths
Patrick McGrath = Bridget Fanning
– to New Orleans, LA”
Thomas Long = Catherine Fanning (Grange) – to Tully, Cortland Co., NY via Canada
Tuohy (brothers) – Grange – remained in Ireland
William Tuohy = Mary Fanning
Patrick Tuohy = Bridget Fanning
James Tuohy = Amy Fanning
Patrick Tuohy (son of William Tuohy and Mary Fanning) – to Norwich, Chenango
Co., NY about 1874.”
“Four of the former occupants of Glenreaghmore immigrated to the U.S. Patt
Davorn left for Norwich, NY in early 1849. Malachy Ryan left about the same time and
settled in Troy, NY. Thomas Fanning left for New Orleans from Liverpool, England on
June 26, 1849.”
There is a lot more very detailed information on the Fanning families in Grange on this site.

Priest’s writing and idiosyncratic spelling a challenge. But the big plus is that the address is given! Layer on in about the 1870s the priest has added the marriage details of the child being baptised. He must have taken a real interest in his parishioners and followed what happened to them. He only entered these details for some records not all by any means. Some marriages were in England, USA and Australia and Ireland. The only down side to the entries around this time is that blank pages and marriage details on extra paper at times obscures the entries.

In 1848 the number of births decreases noticeably, the famine had well and truly hit. Although the biggest drop in baptisms was in 1863.

If you are on a PC you can search these records using Control + F

1 Aug 1835, Bridget of Patrick Fanning and Judy Maher sp: John Ryan & Anto Maher

28 Aug 1835, Mary of William Molony & Mary Murry, Boula, sp: Ellen Fanning

23 Sept 1835, Patrick of William Tuohy and Mary? Fanning, Grange, sp: Patrick McGrath & Honora Fanning

20 April 1836, Nancy of William Fanning & Mary Cronin sp: Patrick Fanning & Judith Cronan

30 Oct 1836, William of William Till and Anne Couleblack  sp: Edmond Ryan & Honora Fanning

13 Nov 1836, James of William McGrath & Mary Tynan sp: Michael Fanning & _____Fanning

27 Nov 1836, Margaret of Patrick McGrath & Bridget Fanning sp: William Tuohy & Honora Ryan

1 Dec 1836, James of Patrick Tuohy and Bridget Fanning sp: Thomas Fanning & Honora Fanning

9 Apr 1837, Catherine of Patrick Fannan and Johanna Maher sp: Margaret Meagher

10 Sept 1837, Judith of John Coleman & Margaret Keating sp: Patrick Tuohy & Bridget Fanning

8 Oct 1837, Margaret of William Tuohy & Mary Fanning sp: Thomas Long & Bridget Fanning

13 Dec 1837, Mary of William Fanin & Mary Cronan sp: James Long & Catherine Fanen

1 June 1838, Catherine of William Tell & Nancy Coalblack sp: Thomas Fanning & Honora Fanning, Glenreigh

5 Nov 1838, Patrick of Patrick Tuohy & Bridget Fanning sp: Patrick McGrath & Mary Gleeson

21 Nov 1838, Philip of Patrick McGrath & Bridget Fanin sp: Patrick Tuohy & Bridget McGrath

7 May 1839, Margaret of Michael Nolan & Mary Costelloe sp: John Tuohy & Honora Fanning

12 May 1839, Margaret of Patrick Fanning and Catherine Corbett sp: Nora Semple

13 June 1839, Richard of Thomas Long & Catherine Fanan sp: Cornelius Long & Bridget Fanan

20 Feb 1840, Denis of Denis Corcoran & Judith Fannin sp: Ellen Fannin, Clareen

8 Mar 1840, Margaret of Andrew Carrol & Margaret Finon? Pallis? sp: John Ryan & Margaret McGrath

22 Nov 1840, Michael of Patrick Tuohy & Bridget Fanning Grange sp Rev John Molony & Michael Fanning

5 Dec 1840, Judith of Thomas Meagher & Margaret Shortall sp: Thomas Gleeson & Honora Fanin, Glanreigh

15 Feb 1841, Richard of Patrick McGrath & Bridget Fanning, Grange sp: Martin Ryan & Honora Fanning

21 Feb 1841, Mary of Thomas Long & Catherine Fanning, Grange sp: Thomas Fanning & Mary Ryan

29 June 1841, Eliza of William Hayes & Mary Fanning, Clareen, sp John Ryan & Johanna Commons?

25 Jan 1842, Mary of Michael Nowlan & Mary Costello, Grange, sp: Thomas Nowlan & Honora Fanning

20 Apr 1842, James of Denis Corcoran & Judy Fannin, Clareen, sp Darby Carr & Ally Bourke

29 July 1842, Catherine of William Fanning & Mary Cronan, Glanreigh,sp: Edmond Cronin & Judith Fanning

1 Nov 1842, John of Michael Davern & Mary Fanning, Grange, sp: Thomas Fanning & Mary Fanning

27 Jan 1843, Mary of Patrick Tuohy & Bridget Fanning, Grange, sp: John Bourke & Bridget Tuohy

10 June 1843, Patrick of Thomas Long & Catherine Fanning, Grange,sp: William Tuohy & Honora Fanning

19 Aug 1843, Thomas of Patrick McGrath & Bridget Fanning, Grange, sp: Rev John Burk & Bridget Fanning

2 Aug 1844, Margaret of John Coleman & Margaret ?, Lisngh?, sp: John Tuohy & Honora Fanning

29 Oct 1844, Mary of Michael Davern & Mary Fanning, Glanreigh, sp: John Davern & Margaret Fanning

5 Nov 1844, Joseph of Patrick Tuohy & Bridget ? Grange, ? Fanning & Thomas Fanning

13 April 1845, Catherine of James Dwyer & Catherine Fanning, Grange, sp: Michael Carrol & Catherine Fanning

26 June 1845, John of Denis Corcoran & Judith Fanning, Clareen. sp: Denis Corcoran & Margaret Corcoran

9 July 1845, Laurence of Thomas Long & Catherine Fanning, Grange, sp:Patrick McGrath & Bridget Fanning

13 July 1845, Mary of Patrick McGrath & Bridget Fanning, Grange,sp: Philip McGrath & Mrs William Tuohy

28 Aug 1845, Judith of Patrick Dempsey & Margaret McGrath, Ballinahow, sp: Thomas Fanning & Catherine Dempsey

11 Jan 1846, John of John ? and Mary Maher, Grange sp: Thomas & Anastasia Fanning

7 Aug 1846, Francis of Patrick Tuohy & Bridget Fanning, Grange, sp: John Tuohey & Hanora Fanning

27 Nov 1846, Richard of Thomas Fanning & Bridget Purcel, Grange,sp: Patrick Purcel & Bridget Tuohy

15 Feb 1847, Thady of James Costelloe & Mary Molony, Boula, sp: Patrick Mullony & Ellen Fanning

16 Jul 1847, Margaret of John Kennedy & Mary Gleeson, Glenreigh, sp: Philip Gleeson & Mary Fanning

21 Aug 1847, Patrick of Patrick McGrath & Bridget Fanning, Grange, sp: Patrick Purcel & Bridget Tuohy

5 Oct 1847, Thomas of Thomas Long & Catherine Fanning, Grange, sp: Patrick Long & Aimy? Fanning

2 Dec 1847, Daniel Dwyer & Mary Carrol, Tubrid, sp: John Fanning & Mary Carrol

2 Sept 1848, Ellen of Michael Nolan & Mary Costello, Grange, sp:John Tuohy & Emy Fanning

16 Jan 1849, William of Patrick Purcel & Hanora Fanning, Grange, sp: Thomas Fanning & Ellen Purcel

11 April 1849, Judith of James Ryan & Judith Doyle, Cormackstown, sp: Thomas Fanning & Catherine Burke

10 Aug 1851, Mary of Garet? Fitzgerald & Judy Hayden, Racannon, sp: John Mooney & Bridget Fanning

24 July 1853, Patrick of Garrett Fitzgerald & Jane Hayden, sp: Pat Brady & Anne Fanning

17 July 1858 or 1859, Mary of James Dempsey & Honora Burke sp: Thomas Fanning & Bridget Young

13 Aug 1859, Edmund of Patrick Cahill & Sarah Ryan sp: James Fanning & Margaret Armstrong

16 Feb 1861, Johanna of Michael Maher & Bridget Tuohy, sp: William Tuohy & Bridget Fanning

8 Aug 1865, Patrick of John Brophy & Catherine Maher, sp: John Fanning & Mary Ryan

18 Feb 1871, John of John Dwyer & Mary Connell, Glenreigh, sp: Patrick Cronin & Anne Fanning

2 Mar 1871, Patrick & John of Daniel Considine & Mary Donnelly, Glenbane, sp for Patrick: Cornelius Ryan & Mary Lahey, for John: Andrew Boyle & Margaret Fanning

28 Nov 1873, Bridget of Milo Bourke & Bridget Corbit, Cormackstown, sp: Edward Fanning & Margaret Dempsey

25 Jan 1874, Kate of Thomas Brophy & Catherine Maher, Cormackstown, sp: Edmund Fanning & Kate Hayes.

1 Jun 1874, Thomas of John Dwyer & Mary Connell, Glenreigh, sp: John Hayes & Mary Fanning

18 Jun 1874, Margaret of James Fanning & Alice Long, Barracurra, sp: John Ryan & Margaret Fanning

3 Sept 1874, Margaret of John McGrath & Catherine Dempsey, Raheen, sp: Michael Hayes & Margaret Fanning

6 Jun 1875, Patrick, Joseph, Francis of James McCarthy & Mary Kelly, Glenbane, sp: Patrick Fanning & Mary McCarthy

14 Nov 1875, Catherine of James Fanning & Ally Long, Barracurra, sp: William Fanning & Mary Long

21 Dec 1875, Margaret of John Dwyer & Mary Connell, Glenreigh, sp: Michael Dwyer & Kate Fanning

10 May 1877, John of James Fanning & Alice Long, Barracurra, sp: Joseph Fanning & Ellen McGrath

24 Feb 1878, Patrick James of John Phillips & Catherine Dunne, Ballycahill, sp: Laurence ? & Mary Fanning. Priest’s note: Patrick married in Rathdowney 19 Dec 1918 to A McCormack.

15 Mar 1878, William Patrick of Philip Whyte & Mary Quirke, Glenreigh, sp : Edmund Fanning & Ellen Whyte

3 Jun 1878,  John of Michael Bourke & Margaret Fanning, Ballycahill, sp: Laurence Butler & Ellen Bourke

28 Jul 1884, William of James Fanning, farmer & Alice Long, Barracurra sp: Mary Darmody; civil birth record; birth date 14 Jul 1884.

30 May 1887, Michael of Philip Carroll, farmer & Mary Fanning, Clohane, sp: father; civil birth record; birth date 24 May 1887

26 May 1887, Michael Jo of Philip Carroll & Mary Fanning, sp: Michael Carroll & Ellie Fanning

Holycross & Ballycahill Fanning Marriage Records Co Tipperary, 1835-1878

Holycross & Ballycahill Catholic Parish Co Tipperary Ireland

These Fanning marriage records are from the Catholic Parish registers for the Parish of Holycross & Ballycahill Co Tipperary, held at the National Library of Ireland. They are free and online at nli.

These marriage records are from the period 1 an 1835 to 29 Dec 1878.


Rootsireland has marriage records from 1835-1900.

There are also now all the civil records available online and for free at irishgenealogy.ie. Marriage records are for marriages over 75 years, so up to 1941 at present in 2016.

Place names  in Ballycahill in 1901 & 1911: Ballycahill, Ballynahow,  Barracurragh,  Castlefogarty, Cooldotia, Coolkill, Crossoge, Drumminnagleagh, Farneybridgehill,  Garrynamona, Garryvanus, Lisnasella, Moneydass, Mountalt, Mountsion, Newtown

Places in Holycross in 1901 & 1911: Ballycamusk, Ballyvoneen, Beakstown, Cloghane, Cormackstown, Farneybridge, Glenbane  Lower,Glenbane  Upper, Glenreagh Beg, Glenreagh More Graiguenoe, Grange, Holycross, Holycross town, Killeenyarda, Lisbook, Lisnagonoge, Lisnagrough, Monamoe, Newtown,Raheen, Whitefort

Looking through these marriage records there appear to be very few Fannings living in this parish at this time.

If you are on a PC you can search these records using Control + F

3 Mar 1835, Thomas Long married Catherine Fanning, witnessed by Patrick Long and William Tuohy.

27 Feb 1838, John Hayes and Margaret Molony wit: James Carroll & Patrick Fanan

16 Nov 1841, Michael Davern & Mary Fanning wit: Thomas and Honora Fanning & William Touhey, Grange

19 Feb 1844, James Fanning & Judith Cronin wit: Edmund & William Cronin

23 Feb 1846, John Mara & Catherine Ryan wit: Mark Ryan & Honora Fanning

11 Feb 1847, Thomas Brien & Catherine McGrath wit: Patrick McGrath & John Brien & Bridget Fanning

25 Nov 1847, Patrick Purcel & Honora Fanning wit: Martin Purcel & Bridget Tuohy

11 June 1848, Thomas Dwyer & Mary Ryan wit: Thomas Fanning & Margaret Ryan

11 July 1849, James Broderick & Mary Ryan wit: Thomas Fanning & Anne Semple?

24 Nov 1856, Patrick Fanning & Mary Byrne wit: Jim Cormack & Judy Byrne

28 Oct 1866, William Bourke (Drom) and Mary Consedine (Raheen?) wit: Thomas Miller & Ann? Fanning

*23 Feb 1873, James Fanning & Alice Long, Barracurra wit: Martin Eviston & Mary Long. Was Martin Eviston’s wife Johanna Fanning related to this James Fanning?

12 April 1877, Philip Whyte & Mary Quirke, Glenreigh More wit: Richard Morriss & Mary Fanning.

Fanning Graves in Holycross Catholic Abbey, Co Tipperary Ireland

Co Tipperary Holy Cross Abbey
Holycross Abbey Co Tipperary
Co Tipperary Holy Cross Abbey & Cemetery
Holycross Abbey Cemetery Co Tipperary Ireland
Co Tipperary Holy Cross Cemetery Rodge Fanning of Gaile Holycross
Rodge & Mary Fanning nee Darmody of Gaile Holycross, Holy Cross Cemetery Co Tipperary

Mary Fanning nee Darmody’s relatives are buried in Ballycahill Cemetery and Roger Fanning’s relatives are in the old Church of Ireland Cemetery Holycross.

Co Tipperary Holy Cross Abbey John Fanning of Glenbane
John & Kitty Fanning of Glenbane Holycross Abbey New Cemetery Co Tipperary

Fanning Graves in Holycross Church of Ireland Cemetery & Old Graveyard, Co Tipperary Ireland

Holycross Church of Ireland View
Holycross Church of Ireland Co Tipperary

Holycross C of I Three Fanning Graves

These are the three graves that are shown in close up above. From left to right is the grave of Joseph Fanning of Moycarkey, then the grave of Joseph Fanning, erected by his brother from America and lastly that of Joseph Fanning of Horse and Jockey, erected by his loving daughters.

Holycross C of I close up Joseph Fanning Graigue Moycarkey & family
Joseph Fanning of Graigue Moycarky Holycross Church of Ireland Cemetery died 27 July 1895. Husband of Mary, father of Patridk, John, William, Daniel, James, Margaret & Mary Anne. Erected by Joseph Fanning of Ballytarsna. Daniel of Graigue Moycarky died 16 Oct 1904; John of Graigue Moycarky died 18 Jan 1905; Mary died 26 Jan 1913; Patrick died 5 Dec 1928 & Margaret died 13 Mar 1902.
Holycross C of I Joseph Fanning erectd by son Michael America
Joseph Fanning age 67, died 16 July 1848. Erected by his brother in America
Holycross C of I Joseph Fanning Horse & Jockey
Joseph Fanning of Horse & Jockey Holycross died 21 Aug 1879. Erected by his loving daughters.
Holycross C of I Johannah and James Fanning close up
Johanna and James Fanning of Glanreigh. Holycross Old Graveyard, Co Tipperary
Holycross C of I John and Mai Fanning & Philip
John, Mai & Philip Fanning. Holycross Old Graveyard, Co Tipperary Ireland
Holycross C of I Anne Fanning & Lawrence Fanning, Mary FAnning nee Shanahan
Anne & Lawrence Fanning & Mary Fanning nee Shanahan. Old Graveyard, Holycross Co Tipperary

Above inscription is on the side of the grave of Johanna and James Fanning

Holycross C of I Rev James Fanning
Rev James Fanning, died Liverpool, Holycross Church of Ireland Cemetery Co Tipperary

Holycross C of I Rev James Fanning close up

Rev James Fanning

Gravestone Inscription for Catherine Fanning nee Doyle, buried in Holycross Old Graveyard. Died 4 Sept 1926, age 60. Address Holycross. Erected by James Doyle of Glenreigh, her brother.